Welcome to the first episode of The Aspiring New Leader Podcast – the show dedicated to giving you creative, innovative, and practical strategies for the new leaders of today’s society. I’m your host, Dan Perryman, military veteran, father, and an executive in the healthcare industry. I am passionate about helping new leaders grow, improve, and share their experiences as well as learn from other experts throughout a variety of industry niches. This passion has fueled me to create this podcast. My hope is to help new leaders throughout various industries improve their leadership skills, find tools and processes to help them better manage their time and balance work and life, as well as feel connected to other leaders around the world.
Millennial leaders are the leaders of the future. I recently read an article on Business Insider about the high rate of stress among the millennial generation. On today’s episode, I’m talking with my friend and co-worker, Jacob Roddis about a very important topic – how to tackle burnout and stress as a new leader. We’re also going to share a few helpful technology hacks such as tools, apps, resources, and systems you can use to help you manage your time and lead your team with less stress.
This week on The Aspiring New Leader Podcast:
- We discuss the statistics of stress and burnout affecting today’s leaders.
- Jacob explains why he believes millennials are increasingly more stressed than other generations.
- We discuss what triggers stress and anxiety among men and women today and how it affects each gender specifically.
- We discuss the signs and symptoms of stress.
- We share tips, tools, and ideas on how millennial leaders can cope and manage their stress – at home and at work.
- We talk about why we believe that a leader sets the stage for their teams’ stress level and how having a relaxed working environment can improve the productivity of the entire team or department.
Time Management Apps to Improve Leadership Productivity and Reduce Stress:
- Apple Reminders App – Helps you keep track of to-do’s, grocery lists, holiday gift lists, and meeting and location reminders.
- Microsoft OneNote – Take notes during meetings, appointments, or keep track of your agenda. Syncs across most Apple, Android, and PC devices.
- Habitify – Helps you form and track healthy daily habits, keeping you motivated and productive.
- Get proper, adequate sleep.
- Have ways to disconnect from work; communicate and network with peers outside of the office.
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001 – Tackling Burnout and Stress with Technology Hacks
Dan: Welcome to The Aspiring New Leader Podcast. I’m your host, Dan Perryman and you have joined us for the very first episode of this weekly podcast. I am truly thankful that you are here today and I’m very excited about the podcast finally being recorded and published. Although this is the first time you’ve probably even thought about this podcast, whether you came across it through iTunes, Stitcher radio, or somebody sent you the link, I have actually been working on this podcast for several months now and actually thinking about creating it for probably the past six month. A couple months ago, I went through a podcasting course and now I have a desk full of equipment that I never knew existed, computers, and I have applications on my computer that I’ve never heard of. So, it’s been a great journey and I’ve learned so much through this process.
So why this podcast?
So why this podcast? You know about six months ago, I was thinking, how do I share my leadership experiences with new leaders? And the reason I think I wanted to share them is because I have about 20 year’s experience in health care executive management and I’ve learned a lot over the last twenty years. And I also have a network full of people that can also share a lot of valuable information to the new leaders. And by sharing this information, we can make you better leaders. You know when I first started in management, there was really no coaches or mentors that could help me, in fact, I actually worked for leaders and some were really good and some weren’t that good. And so, as a new leader, I didn’t really know what to follow. I could read books, and I could try to learn in different ways but, without guidance it was very difficult as a new leader. So, I’m hoping that this podcast can actually provide you with information that will make you a better leader. What inspired me to do this podcast? To be honest, learning how to do a podcast is really hard work. And it’s kind of a big investment but I truly think it’s worth it. About six months ago I was thinking, “how do I share the message?”. And so, I started this CEO book club at work and there’s six new leaders and every week we read part of a book and then we discuss it. And I realized that this information was making this small group of leaders better and I honestly didn’t think that they would have ever read the type of books that we were going to read because they wouldn’t know how to find them. So, this podcast hopefully, will provide you with leadership information and resources that maybe you wouldn’t have considered before. That is my hope and I am doing this because it’s important to develop the future leaders of all our businesses so I hope that it brings you value. And since it is a new podcast I truly welcome your feedback. I do have a website and I want to tell you I’m actually re-formatting the website because I’m learning about that, and I have engaged a designer. It’s http://thelowcarbleader.com/. And I’ve also started a Facebook page, a twitter page, and a LinkedIn page and the links are on the website (and at the end of this transcript).
Patience is a virtue
So, I would ask you to bear with me until I get everything formatted properly as we go. So, everything is going to keep getting better and better; the podcasts will get better, the website will be better. I do plan to write some blogs and I will post the podcasts with show notes and tie into other valuable resources. I really hope that you will come to the website, subscribe to the podcast – I will put instructions on the website of how you can subscribe, either through iTunes or through Stitcher radio. And that way the podcast will be delivered to you every week. And it is my hope to get the podcasts out by Monday morning of every week, that way you’ll have continual podcasts coming your way. And please, again, provide the feedback because I really want to know what kind of topics you listen to, you want to learn about, and I’m designing this podcast with you and for you.
About Dan Perryman…
So, a little bit about me, I grew up in Iowa. I went to high school in Clinton, Iowa, which is kind of a small town, about twenty-five thousand population. Very typical Midwestern town, blue collar factories, the whole thing. ADM was a big part of the town that I grew up in and actually the town I live in right now and after I graduated high school I joined the Navy, and that was a great experience for me. At 18 years of age, not a lot of young adults or kids are able to travel around like I did. In the US – I went to Chicago and Memphis and San Francisco and then I was stationed overseas. So, I spent three years over in Guam. And during those three years I was in the Philippines for a year, I was in Japan for a year. And then when my tour was done there, I came back to San Diego and spent the last two and a half years in the Navy there. So, then I attended college, I was actually out in San Diego and I finished my associates degree at a community college. And I came back to the University of Iowa, got my bachelor’s degree in politics and then I got my master’s degree in hospital administration, and then I started my healthcare career. So, I travelled quite a bit. Actually, with my career I’ve had assistant administrator, assistant CEOs, president/CEO titles. I am currently a President and CEO of a midsize hospital. We have about eleven hundred employees right now and I work for a great company. A few other things; I’ve served on several different boards, I’m part of our health care association, and so I have a varied amount of experience and I look forward to sharing my experience with you.
So, I decided not to do this first episode by myself, and I have a special guest here today. His name is Jacob Roddis, we work together. He’s a bit younger than I am, he’s actually a millennial and this podcast will actually focus a lot on millennials because that age group is really the new leaders that we have in business today. So, I’ll be talking a lot about millennials and probably have some generational experts come on so that we can really get to understand how millennials think, what is the best approach toward leadership, and that’s very exciting for me. So, I welcome Jacob. Jacob, why don’t you tell the audience a little bit about yourself.
About Jacob Roddis…
JACOB: Sure, yea, I’m an only child so of course that’s first born as well so it makes me a natural leader by default (insert laugh track). But I’ve gotten years of healthcare experience, five of those in leadership. An undergraduate degree in business management from Millikin University, master’s in business from the University of Illinois. I have a wife, two lovely daughters that are three and almost ten months old.
DAN: Yeah great so welcome to the show. Your background in healthcare, so you’ve worked in a couple of different areas though? Tell the audience about that.
JACOB: Yea I’ve worked in human resources and started everywhere. I’ve been a little bit involved with everything with human resources from the time that somebody is hired, their onboarding process, orientation, to discipline and recruitment. So, all of the gamit of human resources and a then, now in operations and working a lot of different departments across the healthcare spectrum.
Statistics about Millennials
DAN: Ok, cool. Jacob is a millennial, he’s a bit younger than I am. We’re going to be talking a lot about millennials in this show. If you don’t know, if you are a millennial, if you were born between 1982 and 2004, then you’re considered a millennial. This is the generation that will be the future leaders because you’re the ones that are getting into leadership now. This episode we’re actually going to talk about stress and burnout for millennials and for others. So, I have a few stats from a Business Insider article entitled “It’s Official: Millennials Are the Most Stressed Out Generation.” Do you agree with that?
JACOB: I would agree with that in the sense that we have been introduced…that we are a part of the technology generation so we are never disconnected from our work. Our work constantly has been embedded with us since the time we started our careers.
DAN: I actually just attended this Keynote speaker that was a generational expert. She talked about millennials and said that now the generation of millennials, there is no difference between work and life. And so, everything kind of melds together so when they’re at work, they’re always online, when they’re home they’re always online, so it’s pretty much 24 hours a day that work and life becomes this one way of living. But I want to go through a couple stats, it’s pretty interesting.
Financial concerns are the most common source of stress followed by work, family responsibilities, and then health concerns. Women report more stress than men and this gap has actually been increasing since 2007, meaning that women are becoming more and more stressed and whether men are remaining at the same level of stress, or getting less stressed, it didn’t say, but certainly women are becoming more stressed. Millennials are age 18-35 and then the Gen Xers – that’s me, that’s the age group from 36-49 – are significantly more stressed than other generations, which is interesting because to your point, that’s when technology came into mainstream. And then stress makes people more likely to engage in unhealthy coping strategies like drinking, surfing the net, and smoking. So, Jacob, you have two little girls, you have a full-time job, you have a wife, how does this affect you? Do you have an example of when you were totally burned out and stressed and how that affected you?
JACOB: Yes, I do have an example. I made a job change and I actually got into my first leadership job. At that time, I also went back to school and got my master’s degree and that is also when we found out we were pregnant with our first daughter. So, I was travelling outside of the town I live in to the job that I was going to and then I would travel from that job to another city for my master’s degree two nights a week. So, I was spending an upwards of 4 hours on the road a day. The job itself also had a leader that wasn’t the most pleasant and there were times that I sat in my car and wondered if, “what’s the minimal speed that I could wreck this car? Not hurt myself that well but be off work?”
DAN: Yea that’s great. So, you had a wife at home that was pregnant, you were traveling three nights a week to school, and you had a boss that was stressing you out. So how did you cope with that? Exercise? Fun?
JACOB Actually, the master’s degree actually helped cope with that because I met a lot of new friends during that program. The program also would occasionally drive us from Decatur to Champaign, so we had time to kind of disconnect, not really pay attention to the road, but be able to talk with our friends from the program and talk through our experiences and relate with each other.
DAN: So, some type of social network, outside of work?
DAN: Where you could talk about your beloved Cubs, we are actually…we live in the Midwest so we are in Cubs territory here, so Jacob is nervous for the Cubs.
JACOB: Sweaty palms
Signs of stress with new leaders?
DAN: I think I see a lot of new leaders, I don’t know if they realize that they actually are experiencing stress. Some of the signs of stress: irritability, anger, nervousness, anxiousness, lack of interest, motivation, fatigued, overwhelmed, depressed, sad. I know back in my career I’ve actually moved quite a bit over the last 20 years. And if you remember I’m a gen Xer, so I am the second most stressed generation there is, and moving around is actually pretty stressful on your children, on your wife, on your family. So, part of leadership is a lot of leaders have to move to get promoted. I think it’s really important to understand what your goals are in life, because what affects your career also greatly affects your family and affects your stress and affects their stress. I’m sure your wife was stressed out just as much, because she’s at the same age…
JACOB: Yea she’s the same age. She was at home, she was working at the time and being pregnant, it was a high-risk pregnancy, so that added stress to it as well. So, I’m sure she had as much stress. You talk about moving and affecting the family, she has the most stress when it comes to it as well, because she knows my career is where we go. We live, right now, where all our family is and I know it makes her nervous to think of me changing jobs and us moving away from her support network.
DAN: You have far less stress in your job because you have this awesome boss…it’s me (whispered)
JACOB: He’s awesome. He’s listening right now
DAN: Yea that was part of this deal (laughter). So, I think to be less stressed you have to find ways to be engaged outside of work because I see so many new leaders will say… I’ll ask them the question “how’s your work life balance?”. And they’re like “oh, you know I don’t have time for dating or social activities because I’m focused on my work”. You know after twenty years in health care management, I really do love my career, but you do have to find ways outside of work, at least personally, I believe if you’re only finding happiness through work, which is great because you spend a lot of time at work. But if the work disappears, then the happiness disappears. So, you have to build the social network outside of work, I think. So, you always hear the stories about somebody their whole life and then retiring, and being miserable.
JACOB: Or die…shortly after
DAN: Yea, exactly I think that’s important to remember that work is exciting when you’re first getting into it. But after decades of it, you have to make sure that you’ve created something outside of work. So, that’s great. We’re going to actually move on. So, Jacob, we’ve read several articles in preparation for this podcast; the stats for one of them and how this generation is becoming more stressed. You have a couple ideas you want to share.
JACOB: I also read some other articles and one thing that stood out in one of the articles I read is that 62% of the people surveyed felt high levels of stress, loss of control, and extreme fatigue from their job and burn out. Which over 50%, that’s just astonishing to me. You mentioned some of the key takeaways of having routine such as proper sleep. So, I know that I try to go to bed at the same time every night, wake up at the same time every morning, including the weekends. Having a way to disconnect…my way is that I, in the summer, throw headphones on and get out the mower, which we’ve laughed about before, because we claim that I’m not always mowing the grass.
DAN: So, Jacob has a new baby and a three-year-old and a family and so we joke that he has the most groomed grass in the entire city because he mows it every night.
JACOB: It is pristine. But another thing to relay this back with leadership is that as a new leader, or an aspiring leader, you have to remember that you are not only responsible for your burn out, but you’re also somewhat responsible for the burn out of the people that report to you.
The importance of being a great supervisor
DAN: Yea that’s a great point. Remember the most important person in an employee’s life at work is their immediate supervisor. So, if you are a totally stressed out supervisor, that’s going to emanate throughout your entire department and the studies show that the department is going to look like the manager. So, if you have a relaxed, calm, great leader then that department is going to be highly functioning. But the opposite is going to apply if you have a bad manager who is totally stressed out, that department is going to be nervous, anxious all the time and I think that goes to exactly with what you’re saying.
JACOB: And we talked about being in the Midwest and the Cubs and you knew I’d find a way to insert this, but Joe Maddon is a prime example of your players, or your employees are a lot like the person leading them. He’s very laid back and you see that team right now is running off of that laid-back attitude.
DAN: Right, they’re very relaxed, they’re very focused just like he is. That’s a great example. He always finds a way to work the Cubs in.
JACOB: I will
DAN: He hasn’t been able to talk about this for 108 years so he’s very happy to talk about it. So, Jacob, you mentioned sleep as an important part, this podcast is going to get into the importance of sleep, the importance of morning routines. If you look at the most successful leaders or the most successful politicians, the most successful athletes, they all have morning routines. They do the same thing every day and it’s pretty similar. So, get up, meditate, focus, exercise, and it’s pretty amazing how they all have these routines and they all focus on sleeping too because so many important things happen during your sleep. I have actually put a little guide on the website. The website is thelowcarbleader.com. I mentioned this in the opening I’m actually re-formatting the website, it’ll be available…right now it’s under free resources. If you click on it, if you put your name and your email address then the four-page pdf around sleep will be sent to you and it actually gives you some tips and a calendar to kind of track your sleep. I think sleep is very important to energy levels and to ultimately becoming a great leader.
Ok so that was the foundation. So, there’s three areas to being a productive and a great leader and it’s time, attention, and energy. Today we’re going to focus on time. Jacob is going to share three apps that he has discovered and three apps that he uses to manage his time better. So, for the remainder of the podcast we’re going to walk through these apps and then we’ll put links to them in the show notes. Jacob, what’s the first app?
Productivity and time-management technology and Apps reviewed
JACOB: Well first I’d like to say we hope that this is a recurring part of the podcast, these apps. These are basic apps that are very familiar to you, some of them are going to be native to your IPhone if you carry an IPhone with you. So, the first app is the Reminders App. Simple, native IPhone application used for grocery lists, keeping track of gifts around the holidays as they come up, so if you have a loved one in your life and you want to remember something that you want to get them, throw it on that reminders list so you have it there with you.
DAN: So, where do they find this Reminders app on the phone?
JACOB: It’s on your IPhone, it’s automatically on one of the apps that’s preloaded on your iPhone, so it’s going to be most likely on the first page as long as you haven’t moved anything around. It looks like a little sheet of paper that is outlined and a listing type thing with colored dots next to it.
DAN: So, give an example of what you use it for.
JACOB: Yea I use it for grocery lists, to do lists, those types of thing I already mentioned. But I also use it in another way with some different functionality that it has in it and that is to remind me when I get to a place. So, by that, it’s able to use the GPS in your phone to remind you when you get to a location. If I am going to an event in the evening, I will set a reminder if I know someone is going to be there, and when I get to that event, it will remind me at that location that I may want to ask Dan, if Dan’s there, how his children are doing. Or he just passed a leadership exam, ask him how well it went or congratulate him on it. Another way to use it in the business world is a reminder at a meeting time if you need something signed, or you want to talk to another one of your coworkers about a project that is going on. So, you don’t miss those opportunities.
DAN: That’s great. You can use it to remind yourself and when we talk about time, there’s 1,440 minutes a day, so everybody gets the same amount of time, it’s just how you use it. So, a lot of people say “I just don’t have time to do this”, but it’s not about time, it’s about priorities, it’s about maximizing your time…. so, you’ve found a way to use this reminds app to manage your time, but also to network. I think that’s pretty interesting so we’ll get into networking in future podcasts but, as a new leader it’s really important that you start building these relationships. And remember relationships are built on the personal. It’s not built on the business side of things as much…promotions and new jobs come about through really good personal relationships with people, as opposed to only having only a business relationship. So, remembering somebody’s birthday or children is really key to networking. So, that’s a great app, what’s the second one?
JACOB: The next one I am actually using right now as we do the podcast, and that’s Microsoft OneNote. So, you download it from the app store, it’s part of the Microsoft series. This is going to be useful for those that are stuck in the world that I am, and that’s a Mac user at home and a PC user in the workplace and having to use Microsoft Office in the workplace all the time when you’re using Mac at home. It’s a way to help bridge that gap.
DAN: So, I’ve never used OneNote. I actually just started using Evernote, which is another app that we will definitely cover because it has some great functionality too. Kind of walk us through the OneNote app, because there’s probably a lot of people who have seen it on their PC but have never clicked on it. I fall under that category
JACOB: So, Microsoft OneNote is a notebook app and it is a free text writing app that is styled in that of a notebook. And by that, I mean it is tabbed and set up to where you can add pages for different things. An example of the way I use it is I like to load my agendas or notes from meetings into OneNote, that way it limits the amount of paper I have on my desk. I can organize those notes; I take my iPad to the meeting and type those then. So, an example I would use Microsoft OneNote for is loading my agendas, also taking notes during meetings. So, I physically take my iPad to the meeting with me, type in notes, I’m able to add different pages into those notes. The tab would be “administrative team meeting” and then each page would have the agenda in it, so the agenda for that day. Then I’m able to type free notes into that agenda and save those. The great part of that is limits paper but also when I get back to my office and I bring up Microsoft OneNote on my PC, those notes have already synced across the cloud and are available to me. I don’t have to retype anything else.
DAN: Oh, that’s cool. So, Jacob I have this new program called ScreenFlow where you can actually create these little tutorials. So, think it would be good, I think Reminders is probably self-explanatory, but OneNote may be a little confusing, so we may create a five-minute tutorial on, ‘here are the key functions and this is how you get is set up”. And again, to everyone, I am reformatting my website right now so we may not get this tutorial up for several weeks. I have to let them reformat the website and get everything up and running and then we’ll put this tutorial on because I think this is a pretty cool program, pretty helpful.
JACOB: I think so and then as we talk later in other podcasts about Evernote. Evernote is really a powerhouse when it comes to note taking. You can see the differences and then pick which one works best for your functionality.
DAN: So, what’s the third app?
JACOB: The third app is Habitify and previously in this segment we talked about burnout and some different ways to manage that such as getting up the same time every day, exercising, finding a hobby. Habitify can be used in conjunction with that and really the app is set to help you develop habits. As you get into the app, it’s a very self-explanatory screen, they call it “journaling”. You would establish a habit that you would want to do, such as exercise. You put the time that you’re going to do that, so you’re going to do it in the morning, every morning. When you wake up, and you do the exercise, you then checkmark that activity for the day. So, I want to back up a little bit, you can set those habits for each day of the week, so if you’re going to exercise daily, you can do it Sunday – Saturday. If you’re not, you can pick the days of the week that you’re going to exercise.
DAN: So, it takes 21 days to create a habit. I think the very interesting part about habits is, once you create a habit, whether good or bad, it’s a habit and your subconscious takes over. What you’re doing throughout your day is based on habits that have been created, whether good or bad. If you’re not exercising, I’m going to always talk about exercising because I think it’s a very important part of, at least of my life and it should be of your life because remaining healthy, you’re able to create energy. So, creating good habits in an app like this, will carry on into your life when you’re not even thinking about it
JACOB: Right, and the app will track your progress, you don’t have to do that. It sends you motivational quotes if you need that, and it also rewards you and rewards someone else. And by that, I mean as you complete each habit, or task, for the day, you get three points. And those points accumulate. When you get to 500 points and cash those points in, Habitify actually donates 5 cents to the charity, Water. So not only are you establishing a habit, you’re also doing charity work at the same time.
DAN: Oh, that’s very cool. Wow, yea I’m learning a lot I’ve never heard of this Habitify before we started talking about this. So, where would you find this app at?
JACOB: You’d find Habitify in the app store, for those IPhone users. I’m sure they have an android app as well, but like we talked, we’re kind of embedded in the Mac world so we’ll have to bring Android up as well. You go to the app store, search “Habitify”, and then you’re able to download it straight to your phone or your IPAD.
DAN: You brought up a good point we’re not trying to ignore non IPhone users, that’s just what we have. I have the IPhone and I have the Mac and Jacob has all the Apple computer ware as well. I think it’s pretty similar as well if you have a non-IPhone.
JACOB: And for those apple watch users, Habitify goes to the Apple watch. So, it will remind you of that habit your meaning to form on that day to your apple watch as well.
DAN: So, going back through the three apps really quick, summarizing. So, from a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being simple to use, 10 being very difficult. The Reminders app is very clearly a 1, very easy to use. What about the second app?
JACOB: Microsoft OneNote was the second app and I would say it’s a 5 on the scale there, right in the middle. Not too difficult to use, not super easy or intuitive. If you’ve used Microsoft products in the past, such as Microsoft Word, you’re going to understand Microsoft OneNote.
DAN: So, I think it’s important too, as you try to learn these apps, that you don’t get so caught up in all the functionality. At least what I try to do is if I’m trying to learn a new app – and with this podcast have all these new apps and programs that I’ve had to learn – I just learn the basics. Right, if I can just get the program started and start doing one or two things, that will help you. Then you can go back if you want to and learn more of the functions, but you don’t really need all the functions.
JACOB: No and by learning the basic functionality you’ll understand the app. You’ll find either a way to use it or you’ll know if you need to delete it off your phone or your iPad and you’re not going to use it at all. Functionality is the way to go.
DAN: Number three is Habitify….
JACOB: Number three is Habitify and its right up there with Reminders, I’d give it a 1. Very easy to use. The minute you open the app it’s self-explanatory. It shows you where you need to put that habit in and you just go.
DAN: Those apps are great, and I do want to share with the audience that we’re providing all of this as kind of a tool box. You don’t need to pick all these apps. If you’re trying to manage your time better, I would recommend you would just pick one of them and start with one of them, don’t say ok I’m going to download three apps and I’m going to start managing my time and get into this whole sophisticated time management. I would just pick one app and start using it. And within a couple of days you’re going to realize if that app is a match with your personality or not. I mean I’ve started several apps before and a day later I delete them because they just don’t sync with what I’m trying to do. All of this will be kind of a tool box.
JACOB: That’s right because downloading all these apps and using them would be counterproductive to what we’re really wanting you to become.
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DAN: Right, Ok that’s our main segment today about burnout and stress. We hope you’ve learned a lot about it. We would really appreciate your feedback. If this is helpful and if you go ahead and use the apps, give us your feedback about if they’re actually helping you.
Don’t forget to download that PDF that will help you with your sleep habits as well. And I think this segment is going to be so helpful to everyone that we’re going to actually do this on a monthly basis. We’ll pick a topic and then we’ll review three apps every month and then we’ll put tutorials on the website so it will save you a lot of time googling and trying to figure out these apps. We’ll just give you the top three functions that you should try and then that will make it a lot easier for you.
JACOB: And if there’s apps you want us to test for you and work into the show let us know about that as well.
DAN: Yea that’s a great idea. If there’s an app that you’re using and you think that we should highlight it, definitely send it to us. You can email me at email@example.com. So, we really want your feedback, we would really like to hear about apps or some other techniques that you’re doing to manage your time better. So, Jacob thank you for joining us today. We have really enjoyed ourselves today and again, I am so excited that the first episode is coming out and I’m really looking forward to recording these podcasts week after week, so thank you for joining us. Don’t forget to come to the website, thelowcarbleader.com where there will be show notes and links to Facebook. Twitter, LinkedIn and ways to subscribe to ITunes or Stitcher Radio. Until next week, please take care of yourself and keep on learning.