Today’s episode is being recorded on a very special day – Veteran’s Day. So, before we dive into this week’s topic, we first would like to thank the men and women across the country who have served in the military for making the sacrifices they chose to make. Thank you for your service!
On today’s episode, our host, Dan Perryman is joined once again with co-host Jacob Roddis as well as a new special guest, Kyle Davidson. Kyle attended Valdosta State University to study mass media and communications. After spending years in the communications and media industry, she decided to transition her career path and went back to school to become a registered nurse. Currently, she works as the Physician Liaison within the Administration department at our hospital in Illinois. We’re going to discuss the top 10 reasons leaders should say ‘YES’ in the workplace as well as in life, and how doing so can positively impact your self-esteem, self-growth, and improve your leadership qualities.
“You have nothing to lose by saying ‘yes’, but everything to gain.” Jacob Roddis
The Aspiring New Leader’s Top 10 Reasons to Say YES:
- Saying ‘yes’ is an optimistic word.
- Listening with the word ‘yes’ in mind reframes and changes the conversation.
- It allows you to energize and create a feeling of safety, trust, and creativity.
- Opens a world of new opportunities.
- Sometimes saying ‘yes’ is a little frightening, but you never know where it could lead you.
- Builds your problem-solving skills.
- The more knowledge you can get from various industries, the better decisions you can make. You get a better idea of the ‘bigger picture’.
- Builds your network.
- Saying ‘yes’ to opportunities outside of the workplace can help you grow your network.
- Saying ‘yes’ gets you noticed.
- Saying ‘yes’ shows initiative. Initiative gets you noticed and creates a snowball effect – in a good way.
- It’s the cornerstone of any business owner.
- Builds your resume.
- Many people share the same technical skills. The things you say ‘yes’ to can have a positive effect on a potential employer.
- It’s the “added extras” that will make you more desirable.
- Builds self-esteem, courage, and overcomes fear.
- In Shonda Rhyme’s book, The Year of Yes, she explains how saying ‘yes’ has helped her emerge as a person and become more of an extrovert.
- Creates an opportunity to learn something new.
- By trying something new, you are forcing yourself to step outside of your comfort zone and inviting self-improvement.
- Keeps your brain healthy.
- According to a Harvard Health blog post, saying ‘yes’ to new opportunities, trying new things, and learning new skills helps maintain the neurological pathways.
- Gives you a chance to feel good about yourself.
- It gives you a personal feeling of accomplishment, pride, and success which leads to feeling happier about yourself. Being happy with yourself will exude and positively affect everyone around you.
- Say ‘yes’ and try something new for the next 3 months. See what kind of opportunities present themselves, where they lead you, and what path you end up taking.
- Take that thought, idea, or piece of research you’ve been thinking about and say ‘yes’ to it. Expand your mind. You will realize that it’s not as scary as you thought!
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003 – Top 10 Reasons you Should Say Yes in Life and in Work
DAN: Welcome to “The Aspiring New Leader” podcast. I’m your host, Dan Perryman, and you have joined us for episode three. Today’s topic: we’re going to discuss top ten reasons you should say “yes”, in life and in work. Today joining us, as always, Jacob, how are you?
JACOB: I’m doing great, how are you Dan?
DAN: Good. And we have a special guest, Kyle. How are you?
KYLE: I’m great, thanks for having me.
DAN: So we’ll let Kyle introduce herself in a moment. But today, we are recording on Veteran’s Day so we’d like to say thank you to all our veterans and just a couple of facts about veterans. So there are 21.8 million veterans in the United States right now; 2.3 million of them were in World War II, 2.7 million in the Korean War, 7.6 million in the Vietnam era, and 4.5 million from 1990 to the present. So as a veteran myself, I’d like to thank all of you for your service and thank all of your families as well because I know it’s a real sacrifice. So Jacob or Kyle, do you know any veterans that you’d like to shout to?
JACOB: Yes, I would like to thank my grandfather, Jim Hearring, for his service for our country in World War II at Iwo Jima.
KYLE: I would like to thank all of my friends at Moody Air Force base. I went to college in Valdosta, Georgia, and Moody Air Force Base is right next to that college so I’ve many friends there. And two close friends, Colton and Mariah Heart.
DAN: That’s awesome, and I’d like to thank my dad probably something you didn’t know, he was actually in the Army and the Navy, around WWII he was in the army and then he served in the navy as well. So back to back, two different services. And I’d like to thank all my friends that have retired from the military or served in the military. Alright, so Happy Veteran’s day to everybody.
Email from Listener
To get this show started, I’d like to read an email that we received from a viewer. It says “Hi Dan, I listened to your podcast this morning and I have to say that I’m very impressed. From a technical standpoint, the sound quality and your radio voice sound very professional. However, the content was what really drew me in. There were a number of topics discussed that really resonate with me. I couldn’t agree more about the importance of visualization and pursuit of goals. I found in my personal experience that visualization, in conjunction with a positive mindset, has had a profound effect on the direction of my life. I have purchased Psycho-Cybernetics and I’m eager to get started on it. I would love to know the titles of the other books on your book group reading list. I think that a lot of the suggestions discussed on the podcast can lead to both professional and personal success and long term emotional stability and contentment. My work is full of darkness and despair, so it’s very refreshing to hear some motivating and positive discussions. You’re doing an excellent job, keep up the great work. I’m looking forward to new episodes.” The email came from Jim, he’s a police officer, so thank you for all you do, Jim. Thank you for the email and thank you to all the police officers out there for your service.
Introducing Kyle Davidsen
DAN: Back to Kyle. Kyle, you want to do a quick introduction?
KYLE: Thank you Dan. I’m Kyle Davidsen. As I said earlier, I attended Valdosta State University and studied mass media and communications. I then went back to school years later and became a registered nurse and I have since worked in many roles in the hospital setting. I currently work with administration as the physician liaison.
DAN: So you had a background in communications and maybe a brief stint in the radio world?
KYLE: I did when I moved to the Midwest, I had a young child, my son was only one. And I entertained the idea that of actually going into radio. I did apply and actually got the job, but the hours were just not going to be conducive to my life with a small infant. I ended up kind of rerouting my professional path and went to nursing school.
DAN: That’s great. Jacob you have a little background in radio, right?
JACOB: I do have a background in radio. I did some radio shows while in college: A sport show, a 80s morning show. So a lot of fun behind the mic.
DAN: So I think the expectation of the viewer’s just went up since both of you are experienced radio people.
JACOB: Be happy to disappoint.
DAN: Alright, so welcome Kyle to the show and welcome Jacob. We’re going to get started. These are the top ten reasons you should say yes.
Top 10 Reasons to say YES!
DAN: So Kyle, I asked you to be on the show, was your initial response yes or no?
KYLE: Well I have to admit Dan, when you first approached me about doing a segment on your podcast, my immediate reaction was to say no and press the panic button because it’s just not in my wheelhouse. But that’s not who I am and that may have been taking the easy route, but I knew I’d be losing out on a great experience, I knew i had to say yes. And as I was brainstorming topics for us to discuss, I thought “yes”, saying yes is what we should discuss today.
DAN: What a great segway to our top ten list, so we’re going to start working through the top ten list. #1: Yes is an optimistic word.
KYLE: “Yes” is an optimistic word. Whether you’re in a conversation with your coworker, or your spouse, or your child listening with the word “yes” changes your mindset and it frames the conversation. So what I mean by that is that as a leader, we can’t always make every request happen right away. But we can say “yes, I hear your concern and I want to work together to find a compromise”. And hearing that other person acknowledging them with a “yes” sends an optimistic message, and that’s the kind of team people want to be on. People want to work in a positive and optimistic environment, and saying “no” right off the bat doesn’t engage the other person and it doesn’t show that you have value in what they have to say.
DAN: If you’ve listened to the previous two podcasts, you’ll realize that I like to find articles around these topics. I found this article titled “The Power of Starting with “yes” from the New York Times. And I think it’s interesting the difference between no and yes, and that’s what the articles about. It says no is first and foremost a fear response, but it is useful. It’s useful in situations where there’s danger. You know you have the three year old that’s about to go to the stove or the fifteen year old that announces that she’s going to jump off a cliff, so those are the two times where saying no actually works well , right?
KYLE: Right, exactly.
DAN: But there’s a difference, it says however between surviving and thriving, so the no is kind of a survival response and yes is a thriving response. So it goes on to say the problem with “no” as a starting place is that it polarizes, prompts differences, and shuts down innovation, collaboration, and connection. Saying “yes” allows you to energize yourself, create safety and trust, and fuels creativity and it sends the message to others as soon as you say “yes”. Then they are much more open to whatever you’re talking about. Any other thoughts around that?
JACOB: Yea, I like that you brought up the children, the three year old and the fifteen year old, as an example. If you look at children as your barometer for the words ‘yes” or “no”, children are less guarded than us as adults and they haven’t learned how to hide their expressions. So if you say yes to a child, you automatically see how they become engaged and happy and have the reaction that you would expect. And when you say “no”, they’re a little downtrodden and beaten. It’s a good reminder, either professional or personal, think back to the children when you’ve used “yes’ or “no” and that’s still a reaction you’re getting from people, it’s just that they have suppressed that reaction.
DAN: Great point. Ok so #2: Opens up world of new opportunities.
JACOB: That’s correct. It does open up a new world of opportunities by saying “yes”. You have nothing to lose by saying yes and everything to gain when you did it. I think of a friend of mine, Shaun, who found a post on Facebook looking for extras in Chicago Fire and he responded to that post and became an extra for one show. He was just put in the background as a pedestrian during a scene, but they liked what they saw in Shaun and they called him and every time they called him, he said yes. He didn’t say no, he said yes. And now he actually gets a lot more air time on Chicago Fire and Chicago Med. You can see him as an EMT on the show and he’s been in a lot of cut scenes as he rolls patients into the hospitals.
DAN: Yea I saw him on the show, which is pretty cool. Kyle, any of your yesses in your past brought you to a point where you never thought it would bring you?
KYLE: Well, Jacob’s story reminds me of a quote that I found when we were discussing this topic and the quote is from Richard Branson and he says “if somebody offers you an amazing opportunity, but you are not sure you can do it, say yes, then learn how to do it later.” and I think his story is a perfect example of what can come from saying yes and the road it leads you to.
DAN: I do have a personal story…When I was getting ready to graduate from graduate school, I had two job opportunities. I was in the military for six and half years and I was accepted back into the navy as an officer after college. I also had another job in the VA for a fellowship; I really wanted to go back into the military because it was a comfortable situation and I could have just spent another 13 years in there and retire. But I didn’t think it best for my career, so I said yes to this other path and fast forward twenty years and now I’m doing a podcast. Who knew?
JACOB: Who knew?
KYLE: Who knew?
DAN: And it’s been a great career and I’m so happy that I made that choice. But at the time I was really worried about making this choice, going down this different path. Sometimes saying yes is a little bit frightening, a little bit scary, but sometimes it turns out really well for you.
#3: Build your problem solving skills. I think this one is obvious because the more knowledge you can have, the easier it is for you to solve problems. If you only get your knowledge from one industry, then when you solve a problem, your references from that industry so we are in health care but the more knowledge we can acquire from other industries, the better decisions we can make. Do you have any thoughts around this one?
JACOB: Sure, I did some coaching of basketball when I was in college as well and there’s practice, and then there’s the game, and game time management. You can do all the preparation and practice as a player, but as a coach, when it comes to game time management, you’re really in that moment. It comes down to the end of the game, you’re down by two, there’s 3 seconds on the clock, you have to be prepared for what you’re going to do. I think you can draw those instances of game time management to your work world of when an issue comes up or if you’re needing to solve a problem, what practice or problem solving skills have you done in the past that are going to kick in and put you over the top in that moment.
DAN: So by saying yes to coaching you were able to acquire skills?
JACOB: That’s right.
DAN: #4: Build your network. Now this is the most obvious one to me. As a new leader, you need to build your network and in order to build that you almost have to say yes to opportunity. A good example is, if the only network you have is at work, and then your network is going to be very limited. You need to say yes to outside opportunities such as; going to functions, going to conferences, joining groups that you probably wouldn’t have thought that you should join. The bigger network you have, the better it is. Networking is very important too. Sometimes it really is about who you know and position, so if you’re a final candidate and you have a good relationship with the person hiring, you’re probably going to get the nod to the job. Jacob or Kyle, you have any thoughts around networking?
KYLE: Absolutely, I agree 100% with you. I actually made it a personal goal of mine a couple of years ago to make it a point to attend almost every outside work event that I could. So some examples were charity events, volunteer work, cancer awareness walks. And that allowed me to make connections with other people within my company that I wouldn’t see on a typical day to day basis and also meet hundreds of other people that were at these same events and grow relationships within the community with all different figures.
DAN: That’s great. In my career, networking has been very important. Two of my jobs actually about 15 out of the 20 years have been attributed to networking. I knew someone in one of my jobs who knew a senior vice president and in a very big company. Introduced me to him and that led into the next two jobs that I had in hospital administration. And then I actually went to a conference and ran into someone who referred me to a recruiter and that’s how I came into my current job. So networking is really important and I think it’s pretty hard to progress without a network.
JACOB: It is hard to progress without a network. My career has been based on a network. My internship wouldn’t have happened if the person who gave me the internship and my mom hadn’t had a mutual friend, so that shows I got connected into that internship. The first job out of college was when I sent my resume in for the job, the leader in that organization knew one of my references. He’d called that reference and that’s how I got an interview and my foot in the door there, and then also with the job I’m in now, it’s all because I worked in the organization previously and I feel that the people I worked with made a good pitch to you ahead of time and kind of sold me ahead of us even meeting.
DAN: You know there’s a saying in fundraising that says that “you should not ask for money until you have built a relationship with somebody for three years”. So my advice to those that are starting to build a network, don’t just send out on LinkedIn or Facebook or whatever forum you use and your first statement is about getting a job. You really have to build a personal relationship with whoever you’re talking to and don’t rush it because networking and building a networking is really a career long timeline to me. Just be patient with it, start building relationships, and saying “yes”-back to this saying “yes”- because you never know who’s going to help you out in your career, or on the flip side, who you can help out by building a network. That’s just as important. Don’t just build a network to help yourself out, build a network so that maybe down the road, you can help someone else out. (16:30)
DAN: Alright, moving on…..#5: Gets you noticed.
JACOB: Yes #5: saying yes gets you noticed is right on. Bosses prefer and lean towards employees who are hungry, motivated, and want to learn to fly. So the example I have with that is; a sister organization had a leadership spot open, I was very early in my career, and I volunteered to go to that position and serve as the interim director. To me, that showed the organization and the CEO at the time that I wanted to put myself out there, that I would take a chance, that I wanted to become a leader, and this was the way that career started by throwing it out there and saying “hey, give me a chance at this” then I think definitely, saying yes gets you noticed
KYLE: I agree with you, Jacob. Getting noticed is completely in your hands, you’re in control of it. When you’re sitting in a meeting in a group setting and your boss is there and they are asking for projects to be done, absolutely be the one that speaks up and takes initiative and shows them that you’re aggressive and eager to learn. And you want to put yourself out there because that’s the people that they remember.
JACOB: I would say “yes” is a strategic cornerstone to your personal business plan.
DAN: There’s an entrepreneur, his name is Pat Flynn and if you Google him, it’ll come up, but he used to be an architect and now is this very successful entrepreneur. But I was listening to one of his podcasts and he mentioned that when he was an architect-and I think I have my facts straight here but if it’s not exactly correct, it’s kind of the gist of the story-but he was an architect, he was in a meeting, and a client came in and asked about “does anybody have experience with some architectural software”. And he raised his hand said “absolutely” and the guy …”ok well you have 30 days to bring this project together”. And he has no idea of what the software even was, so he spent the next 30 days learning the software, did a great presentation, and ended up getting promoted over it so…that’s a true way to say “yes” and so there’s a lot of risk taking involved but it ends up working out well most of the time.
Alright, #6: Builds your resume
KYLE: So the most obvious example for me right now is I can add being a guest host on a podcast on my resume.
DAN: That should probably go at the top.
KYLE: Should go to the top? For those of you listening you may be thinking “how is a podcast going to help my resume?” When interviewing candidates for a position, this shows me that the individual has public speaking skills, they probably have an extravert personality, and they’re willing to take risks and do things outside the box. And those are all positive characteristics that adds to their business skill.
DAN: That’s a good point. The other point is, when we look at a resume, when we’re looking to hire somebody, you know the technical skills are one thing-a lot of people present with the same technical skills-if somebody is interviewing for a manager position, a lot of the manager candidates that we get kind of have the same skill set. At least in my mind, what separates them, I look at their hobbies, what they do outside of work, what their experiences are that are not related, how they said yes to things like podcasting or community events…just looking at their overall experience. That’s my tip around resumes is a lot of people present with the same skills; it’s kind of the extracurricular activities and the hobbies that kind of bring light to your real personality. And a lot of companies now are hiring based on personality and on character, more than they are on technical skills.
JACOB: And I think our last guest from episode two is a good example of that. Katie and her couponing along with using that too donate to charities and shelters in the area.
DAN: Great point.
KYLE: Right, it’s those added extras that are going to make you more desirable than the person you’re up against.
DAN: Exactly. Alright #7: Builds self-esteem and courage and overcoming fear
JACOB: So, what I do to build self-esteem and courage to overcome fear is use “yes” for representing the hospital at public events. I don’t particularly enjoy small talk or having to go work a room in those types of settings for networking.
DAN: But you’re on a podcast
JACOB: I don’t have time, Dan, for small talk. I’m on a podcast. So what I do is say “yes” to those events, go out there, force myself to go to them, talk to people. I find that it keeps my networking skills up and reduces my anxiety about it.
KYLE: Right there’s actually a great book out there by Shonda Rhimes. It’s called The Year of Saying Yes. She is the creator of Grey’s Anatomy, Private Practice, Scandal, many famous shows out there right now. She talks to the fact in this book about how saying “yes” helped her to emerge as a person and become more of an extrovert. She was a very introverted wallflower and it’s not easy for everyone to take that role and say “yes” and be noticed, and step out of there comfort zone, it’s something they really have to work at and have to learn. We go to speaking engagements and we see the person on the stage and they look so well-rehearsed and it looks so natural. But they have truly practiced really hard and it doesn’t come easy for everybody, even if you are an extrovert.
DAN: I know a lot of people that I thought were extroverts that are actually introverts because they just fake it. They’ve become really good at presenting and networking and in going out of their comfort zone to network and to say “yes” to things. And it goes back to that Amy Cuddy TED talk that I talked about last week where she says “fake it until you become it”. In that TED talk, which I highly recommend, where she says you go out and just do it and you do it and do it until it becomes a part of you. And I think that’s what we’re talking about here.
KYLE: Right and the more you do it, the easier it gets. The more you put yourself out there the easier it becomes.
DAN: If you want to become a good public speaker, you have to publicly speak, no matter how scared you are. The first time is terrifying, right? It’s worse than death, that’s what people say. But by the hundredth time, you become a much better and confident speaker.
Alright #8: Opportunity to learn something new
JACOB: By saying “yes” to learning something new, you’re forcing yourself to step outside of your comfort zone which we just talked about a little bit. But by also saying “yes”, you’re doing it for yourself and not someone else. So you’re essentially agreeing to do something as opposed to being told to do something. When I look at an opportunity in my life to learn something new-we talked a little bit about my radio work and were going to circle back around to that with this-I had a friend who was a communications major in college and he asked me to do some radio shows with him. Kind of like asking Kyle to do this podcast, it initially terrified me, I thought “oh my goodness” it’s not like this podcast where we can actually pause or edit it out, this is live radio we’re talking about. So I went on air with him and ended up just having fun and talking and playing some music that we enjoyed and listened to. Now that I look back, little did I know what that would do for my career now. As my career path has taken me, I know have to do public speaking, I know have to do radio interviews, and I also get to do this fun podcast so what he did back then in college, by me saying “yes” did a favor for myself and my career.
DAN: So Kyle, putting #7 and #8 together, about the courage and overcoming fear and learn something new, you’ve been a little nervous about this podcast all week. When I say a little nervous, that’s probably an understatement….
KYLE: It’s an understatement….
JACOB: That’s a huge understatement….
KYLE: I’ve been panicked all week over this.
DAN: So talk about that a little bit. How did you overcome your fear? How did you approach this?
KYLE: Yes, Dan, I’ve been really worried about this, I’ve been panicked. I know a lot of my coworkers are going to be listening to this and you wonder, “What do I have to offer? What do I have to say?” self-doubt comes into play, that’s just natural with putting yourself out there. But I know I have experiences that will help others in life and you know I try to just prepare by researching different avenues where this has helped others. I thought it’s a great topic that a lot of people would relate to and it’s not easy for me to do speaking engagements or come on this podcast. But I really want to conquer my fears; it’s not easy it doesn’t come easy for me. I’ve lived off Imodium, I’ve been eating them like tic tacs all week.
DAN: How are you feeling this morning?
KYLE: I feel great because we’re almost done and guess what I made it through it. So if I can do this and step outside the box, really anybody can.
JACOB: I think our listeners can agree that that’s too much information.
DAN: Well we’re here for the audience to get to know us. Alright #9: Keeps your brain healthy. So there’s an article in the Harvard health blog, the title of it is Mental Strain Helps Maintain a Healthy Brain. I think that everyone realizes that learning new things is really good for your brain. So this is four brain health strategies according to Harvard’s Men Health Watch:
- Be a lifelong learner: so it says that you spend the first half building dense networks of connections between brain cells. Scientists call this cognitive reserve. Continuing to learn new things builds and maintains these connections.
- Strain your brain: it says think of all mental activities as a continuum. So watching TV would probably be passive, but when it comes to maybe learning a new language, that’s something that strains your brain and is actually very good for your brain.
- Get uncomfortable: What we’re talking about today, getting out of your comfort zone from time to time challenges your mental skills.
- Be social: so if you’re out being social, that’s really good for your brain. Saying “yes” actually is really good for your mental health.
DAN: And then it also talks in the article about don’t forget your physical activity too, because that’s really good for your brain as well. Personally, I like to explore a whole bunch of hobbies. So I’m always doing this. Hobbies I’ve learned about in the past: astronomy, poker of all things, right? Well you think well poker, poker is very math related and very challenging if you really want to learn it. This podcast, learning all the equipment and all the software around this podcast, that’s probably been one of my biggest mental strains in the last year. Jacob, do you have any thoughts?
JACOB: Yea, I mentioned this last podcast, we got a good laugh about it, so we’ll probably get that laugh again. Picking up, out of all instruments, the banjo. So that’s a way to fire different neurons in my brain and pick it up.
DAN: Well thinking about picking it up. So you have challenged yourself already mentally by thinking about playing an instrument
JACOB: I’m waiting for Santa to bring it for me.
DAN: But talking about networking, you have already started talking to people about the banjo because they found out you were interested in it and you’re kind of creating this new networks around banjo players.
JACOB: I talked to a PA at the hospital who plays the banjo and he was telling me about a website to look up called “Brainjo” and also a grip to use that’s easy to start playing with.
DAN: And finally #10: Chance to feel good about yourself.
KYLE: Yea, saying yes does give you the opportunity to feel good about yourself. And to clarify about saying “yes”, we don’t mean having to be a people pleaser and saying yes to every little request that comes your way. But it’s more about saying “yes” to the things that are going to personally give you a feeling of accomplishment and pride and success within yourself. And saying things that are going to feed you as an individual and help you grow because having that sense of pride and accomplishment within yourself will make you happy and being happy with yourself will exude to everyone around you-whether your coworkers, your children, your spouse-it’s positively affect those around you.
DAN: Yea I think everybody knows you accomplish something, you feel good about it. Especially if you accomplish something that’s difficult or challenging or you’ve never done it before, you really do have this sense of accomplishment and pride.
JACOB: Yea you never know when saying “yes” will dramatically change your career path, help you to find a skill or passion you never knew you had. That skill or passion may turn into, like Dan, his podcast.
DAN, Ok that’s the top ten list. So one more time:
#1: Yes is an optimistic word.
#2: Opens up world of new opportunities.
#3: Builds your problem solving skills.
#4: Builds your network.
#5: Gets you noticed.
#6: Builds your resume.
#7: Builds self-esteem and courage, allows you to overcome fear.
#8: An opportunity to learn something new.
#9: Keeps your brain healthy.
#10: Chance to feel good about yourself.
Any concluding comments?
KYLE: I would just challenge all of the listeners out there to try this, take maybe the next 3 months and see what opportunities come your way. Say yes, try something new, and see where that leads you and what path you end up going down.
JACOB: Take that thought that’s in your head, or that challenge that you’ve wanted to do, or piece of information you’ve wanted to research and say “yes” to that. Go expand your mind out and you’ll find out that “yes” is not as scary as you originally thought.
DAN: I agree I think the summary of all of this is just say “yes”, just overcome your fear, say “yes”, try new things and see how it works out. And not everything’s going to work out, but I think the majority of them will and I think it’s going to help you, both in your personal and in your professional life. And there are a lot of resources around this, so if you just Google “the Power of Yes” there’s several TED talks around it-I was surprised actually on how many resources there were out around the power of: yes”, so there must be legitimacy to it, right?
JACOB: Yes very much so.
DAN: Alright, that concludes our podcast today. So thank you Jacob and Kyle for saying “yes”.
KYLE: Thank you, Dan. I’m glad I took this opportunity and did it.
JACOB: Love being here.
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