In the last episode, low-carb and ketogenic diet promoter Maria Emmerich shared her views regarding the ketogenic diet, her take on bone broth and fasting, crock pot recipes, and why healthy fibers aren’t really all that healthy. She even touched on the fact that babies are actually in a state of ketosis!

Today, Maria talks about chocolate cravings, exogenous ketones, fasting, the why of ketosis, and the cost of eating.

“Nothing can cover up a bad diet.” – Maria Emmerich

On Today’s Episode of the Low Carb Leader:

  • The link between magnesium deficiency and chocolate cravings.
  • How long it take to actually transition from being a sugar burner to fat burner?
  • Can breakfast be taken much later in the day?
  • How to use exogenous ketones to transition to a ketogenic diet
  • Maria’s story about how a ketogenic diet helps a child with Type 1 Diabetes.

 

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036 – Hot Topics, Volume 5 (with Maria Emmerich)

DAN:
Hello, and welcome to The Low Carb Leader podcast. I am your host, Dan Perryman, and you have joined me for Episode 36. Today’s Hot Topics episode is from a Facebook Live that I conducted with Maria Emmerich. We will be discussing the topics of what does it mean to have a chocolate craving? Fasting, exogenous ketones and the why of ketosis, keto kids and the cost of eating, and then a few learnings from a conference we attended, Low-Carb Breckenridge. I hope you enjoy the show.

Why are you craving chocolate?

MARIA:
If you are craving chocolate that’s usually a magnesium deficiency, so you want to do a good quality, high – a chelated magnesium, not magnesium oxide. Don’t go to Target and buy that because you’re just going to get diarrhea, and you’re going to be like Maria told me to take this stuff. No wonder I’m losing weight, right? No, most people are very deficient in that, but if you crave chocolate and you’re like buying these low-carb chocolate bars, it’s way better to make your own chocolate.

DAN:
So Atkins has actually some pretty good tasting bars, but –

MARIA:
Never had them.

DAN:
I know what they do is they put alcohol –

MARIA:
The sugar alcohols. And you’re going to have gas.

DAN:
Yeah, which just brings down the net carbs. Talk about that a little bit.

From Glucose Burner to Fat Burner

MARIA:
Count total carbs. Don’t count the net carbs. When I’m working with clients I don’t start them with fasting whatsoever just because the whole idea of eating, you know, let’s get into ketosis – I actually have a poor review on one of my books on Amazon, and it’s because I’m always full and I’m never hungry. And it’s like that’s the point. But it doesn’t happen, especially if you have any type of leptin resistance. You’re going to really – some people are always hungry, and we want to try to stave that off. And for me I was taught that you need to eat every two hours in order to fuel your metabolism. That is only if you are a glucose burner. So switching from a glucose burner to an actual fat-adapted burner, so you’re doing lipolysis, can take months. You will notice you will get into ketosis after days of eating keto. Some people faster, some people slower. But to actually be in lipolysis is going to take a long time, and in that case it gets very easy to fast. And there’s no judgment if you don’t want to get into intermittent fasting. It just takes you to the whole next step. Some people force themselves to eat breakfast when they’re not hungry. It’s like, why? Is it because you’re listening to old nutrition advice that you have to eat that to fuel your metabolism? I say wait until you’re hungry enough to make a meal, then have your first meal when you’re hungry. A lot of times people are like, I’m not hungry until 11:00 or 12:00. It’s like bingo; you’re getting into that whole lipolysis part. Your body is using your fat stores for fuel. And then eat your second meal when you’re hungry enough. And people love that because think about how much less time it takes to cook a meal and clean it up and all of that, stopping work to have to eat or eat a snack. Maybe that’s why we’ve been accomplishing so much.

Keto Kids

DAN:
Dr. Fung was talking about this today, how we have a system now where it’s kids get up to eat breakfast, then they have a midmorning snack, and then they eat lunch, and then they eat a snack, and then he said even in their soccer games they have to take a break to eat their snack.

MARIA:
We experienced that in Hawaii when my kids, they would make – they’re six and seven, and they would make so many friends on the beach, and they would play with them all day, and a lot of these kids, they’d come out of the water every half an hour to start eating or having a snack. And my kids, they’re just standing there. And sometimes my son will say, well I’m not hungry for lunch, and I was like well, when you are hungry come and tell me because I have food for you.

DAN:
That’s what I was actually going to say is talk a little bit about that, how your kids are like I’m not even hungry for lunch. So they kind of eat on-demand, right?

MARIA:
Right. They tell us when they’re hungry. Sometimes it’s like, okay, we need to get homeschooling started so here is your eggs. Let’s get going. But after breakfast, lunch and dinner is kind of like on when they’re hungry. So a lot of times they’ll have their breakfast maybe at 8:00 AM, and then about 1:00 they start saying we’re hungry now, and then we get to that. But it’s just, you know, if you think about our Paleolithic days, do you think that they ate all the time? I mean – and that’s what – do you know what The Onion is?

DAN:
Yeah, I’ve actually taken a writing class based around The Onion.

MARIA:
That is so funny.

DAN:
Which is just like how sarcastic can you be?

MARIA:
It is, and they have an article – I don’t know, maybe Craig could throw it up there – talking about how Americans eat one constant meal all day long because they just never stop. And I laugh because that’s the way we used to live. Craig and I talk about, first of all, how expensive our food budget used to be because we would go on say a Saturday morning, we would go have breakfast at like a bagel shop and get mochas. So we’d have like a bagel sandwich and mochas, and then we would go out for lunch at like Green Mill and have like a pasta meal with some fancy drink or whatever. And then we’d order in pizza at dinner. First of all, I don’t know how we ate that much because now it just seems like so much food. But not only that, we spent so much money on this junk food that left us hungrier in the end because when blood sugar goes up it’s a falling blood sugar that causes hunger. So even if it’s still up here, if you go to like a Chinese buffet, eat a lot of white rice, your blood sugar is up here. When it starts to fall, and it could be soon after you ate at that buffet, that falling blood sugar is going to cause you to be hungry. Your belly is still full, but you feel hungry.

DAN:
Absolutely. Always.

MARIA:
So oh yeah, let’s go get that ice cream cone. And we did that. That’s why I laugh. I mean I would skip lunch so I could get like this huge ice cream cone. Craig remembers this. We were in Oregon, Portland – or no, it wasn’t Portland. It was on the Haystack Rock area, and they had this great ice cream shop. I’m like I’m not eating lunch because I’m going to get this huge ice cream. It’s like all these big mistakes that we made. So I’m not judging. I was there myself.

When to Use Exogenous Ketones

DAN:
What is your opinion on all these exogenous ketone products? Okay, Paul says using it to start healthy eating and losing weight.

MARIA:
Oh yeah, you know, you could use it as a transition because it’s going to help lower those cravings and stuff. So I would use it as a transition into – because it’s totally going to lower your cravings. It’s going to increase that serotonin, and you’re going to feel super positive. A lot of times you get more energy so you could start working out. So I like to use it with people to help into keto, but nothing is going to cover up – I guess I get frustrated when people say just eat the darn muffin and then take this.

DAN:
My understanding is exogenous ketones, you have to be low-carb ketogenic in order for them to work. Is that correct?

MARIA:
Well, no, I’ve been seeing people do Facebook Lives where they eat chocolate cake, and they’re like, look, I just drink this drink and my ketones – they’ll show them testing – are low. Or I mean they’re showing that they are in ketosis, lower numbers, but it doesn’t matter. Is that lipolysis? No. But is it ketosis? Sure. Nothing can cover up a bad diet. You’ve got to focus on the food first. That’s why you need to prioritize the whole cooking.

DAN:
So Paul, the last podcast on The Low Carb Leader podcast, Danny Vega talked specifically – he’s an athlete, a power lifter. He talked specifically about exogenous ketones and how Dr. Oz’s raspberry ketones are not ketones. And he talks about what you should look for in real ketones. He also mentioned that whatever the big company is has contracted with the one supplier, so it’s looking like it’s going to become one.

MARIA:
Because they’re coming out all over the woodwork. Julian’s Bakery now has them. It’s cheap. I mean it’s all over the place. But I don’t know, it’s expensive, too.

DAN:
I think that you just, caloric restriction, eat the right things, and if you’re trying to get into ketosis, that’s going to put you into it. But I think you bring up a good point. What is the purpose of why you want to get into it? It’s more of a – with me it’s more of a result of intermittent fasting and eating healthy and then eating high-fat. And I’m in ketosis. I’m not just trying to get those numbers. It’s just an after effect because I want to be healthy.

MARIA:
Right. You know, we look at why are you doing ketosis. We are a very – honestly, we’re a vain society. Everybody wants to fit into their clothes and look good. And we all do. I’m not judging. But you know, like we need to worry about what’s going on internally. How is our lowering heart disease and all of that, that’s like super important. So that’s like why everybody should eat keto.

Takeaways from Low-Carb Breckenridge

DAN:
We’re at the Low-Carb Conference here in Breckenridge, Colorado. Any learnings from any of the sessions or discussions? This is actually a pretty awesome conference because it’s small. So the interaction with speakers is just a whole different way than big conferences. It’s pretty cool.

MARIA:
It’s just starting out. I’m afraid it probably will grow. But I guess I just did a question-and-answer session, and this poor woman was there. Her son has type I. She started doing keto. His A1c went from 11, which, it was 11.3, which means he is in a very terrible inflammatory state, to 5. It was like 5.1, which is fantastic. But the endocrinologists are telling her, so where are the facts that keto is helping him? And she’s like look at his A1c, you know? And she’s like yeah, it’s just what’s going on in his body. But they wanted to see facts that keto is actually helping heal type I diabetics. And so they got in like a two-hour argument, and I just wish that hospitals were more on it and supportive of these parents and the truth about nutrition rather than, you know – you know a lot it. You know what it’s like. I guess like –

DAN:
So Brian Williamson in the last podcast, his son has epilepsy, and he went to a neurologist who is very good at what she does, he said. But it was just a fleeting comment when he was walking out, and she said you might want to try that keto because it’s been found to be pretty good for some epileptic patients, but kind of just walking out. So he went home and just researched it completely, and his son is like his, the number of seizures have just decreased like 95%. But he said the part that makes him angry is that to her it was just a little by the way, if you think about it. And it’s basically that and the medication has really fixed his son’s issue.

MARIA:
Our bodies know how to fix themselves. They really do.

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